Top Ten Best Survival Guns (Handguns)
So what are the best survival guns to own?
Before we can even attempt to answer that question we need first to understand what the answer to that question is not:
It’s not a random laundry list of various makes and models.
Because not all survival situations are the same.
For instance:
Are we talking about surviving while lost in the wilderness?
Dealing with a broken-down vehicle in the desert?
Post “Captain-Trips” outbreak from Stephen King’s – The Stand?
How about being stranded afloat on the open ocean after your fishing charter goes down?
What about defending your home from armed criminals and intruders?
Or are we talking about an all-out TEOTWAWKI scenario?
In my accompanying firearm article, Top Ten Survival Rifles, I defined five different roles a good survival rifle must fill.
But to be brutally honest, there is only one role for a survival handgun: self-defense.
Yes, I’m aware that you can hang a big-ass scope on top of a .44 Magnum and hunt deer, but, frankly, hunting game is no reason to carry a hand cannon like this in a survival situation.
That’s not to say there aren’t a few useful roles for a Dirty Harry gun when you’re trying to survive. But, hunting and long-range sniping are just not one of them. Instead, the handgun excels at short range self-defense.
It’s useful for ranges under 60 feet and ideal under 10 feet. And the type of survival gun you want in tight and confined spaces.
Here’s a simple analogy:
It would be silly for an F-350 pickup to attempt to race a Mustang. So why would you try to employ a handgun as a sniper rifle? It’s always best to match the equipment with the goal. And with handguns, the goal is close-range self-defense.
So the real question we need to answer is this: what are you defending yourself against? And this question can be further broken down into two broad categories:
- Animals – wild predators with the ability to kill you
- Humans – the most dangerous game of them all
With these two categories cleared up, the answer takes us not to the best choice of survival gun, but instead, we turn to the ideal choice of cartridge for the task at hand.
Here are the most common handgun rounds we will consider today:
- .22 LR
- .380 Auto
- 9 MM Luger
- .357 Sig
- 38 Special
- .357 Magnum
- .40 S&W
- .44 Magnum
- .45 ACP
- .500 S&W
Let’s face it, some of these cartridge sizes are impractical for survival, and we can dismiss them immediately.
So Let’s Play The Elimination Game
.380 Auto? Really? Why the compromise? If your goal is to carry the maximum number of rounds possible, then go for .22LR. The .22LR is much more common and widely available compared to the .380 auto.
If you’re going to carry a 9mm, why a 9mm short? The round costs more; is less powerful, and not nearly as available as the 9mm Luger.
The 38 Special, while an old cartridge and still attractive, holds no advantage over the much more readily available 9 MM Luger.
In fact, the 38 Special is a rimmed cartridge designed for revolvers, so you are also limited in capacity over most 9 MM semi-auto pistols.
If you ramp this baby all the way up to Plus P hollow-point, then why not just go with the .357 Magnum? You can always shoot 38 Special in a .357 revolver if you happen to find any.
The .357 Sig is a great cartridge fired by high-quality Sig Sauer and other pistols, but again, it is not nearly as prevalent at 9MM.
Sure, the old faithful Luger round may not technically be any better, but its use is far more widespread.
How can I say something bad about the .357 Magnum? It’s a devastatingly powerful round. However, it is not nearly as common as .45 ACP and not nearly as powerful as the .44 Magnum.
A post-apocalyptic world will begin running short of .357 Magnum very quickly. It always amazes me to see Rick on the Walking Dead always has a full cylinder of .357 Magnum hollow points.
For the same reason, a 38 Special is a poor substitute for the .357 Magnum.
Also, the .357 Magnum is a poor substitute for the .44 Magnum. If you have to go large, then go with the .44 Magnum or .45 ACP. We’ll learn why in a little bit.
The .40 S&W is an excellent police round with more stopping power than the 9 mm, but, then again, why round up just a bit. Why not round up a lot – the .45 ACP is more common and simply devastating.
The .500 S&W is a big, badass round fired from one heavy, giant hunk of a revolver. It is the most powerful handgun round in the world – designed to take down just about any animal you may run up against.
It was designed specifically for hunting. It’s also a round that will be hard to find in an emergency or survival situation.
So in my opinion, there is nothing you can kill with a .500 S&W you can’t kill with a .44 Magnum.
Yes – it may take two shots – but still not worth dagging this huge revolver with only a five-round capacity in a survival situation.
So with all that said – I’m going to narrow our original list down to the following survival calibers:
These rounds represent the full gamut of firepower we’ll need to survive, however, each one has its own niche.
Most Likely Survival Self Defense Scenarios
Very few people intend to end up in a survival situation.
With an unexpected breakdown, a few poor decisions, and dumb luck you can end up in a survival anywhere, in any climate, and any topography. In fact, it’s most likely to occur in the place for which you haven’t prepared.
That’s just Murphy’s Law.
In these various climates, you may encounter any number of terrifying, deadly predators. Let’s look at a few:
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Snakes
Let’s face it; snakes are a one-trick pony. They bite.
They won’t hunt you down, they don’t attack in packs, and they won’t even attack unless provoked, but it’s not out of the question to accidentally provoke one.
In most survival situations it’s wise to give them wid-berth, but, on the other hand, they can also be a valuable survival food source.
Now, you can kill them with any of the rounds mentioned above, but why would you waste .44 Magnums when a couple .22 LRs will suffice?
Wolves/Coyotes/Wild Dogs
If you find yourself under attack by a wolf or coyote, keep in mind that one animal is not stalking you—a pack is.
A wolf is a pack animal and his brother and sister Lobos will be waiting in the wings to ambush you. This is where a high capacity handgun is ideal. So a good, double stacked, 9mm is perfect for this application.
No doubt the .44 Magnum will make a wolf explode, but you only have six of those opportunities in that big gleaming revolver. If you miss, you better pray for a small pack.
The .45 ACP will do the trick as well, but again, it’s a big round, and at best you may be looking at ten rounds. So I prefer 9MM Luger in this circumstance for the combination of both capacity and power.
Grizzly Bears/Sharks/Big Cats
You may be wondering why I haven’t eliminated the .44 Magnum? These beasts are why. The grizzly bear is the bad-ass MF of the animal world.
When you are facing something nine feet tall, 850 pounds, with long teeth and six-inch claws – you need stopping power.
The .22LR represents a mosquito bite to this fellow—unless you hit him right in the eye. I’m not even sure a .22 LR would crack a grizzly skull.
The 9 mm will annoy this giant and maybe even kill him – after he bleeds out over the next few hours – long after you’ve bled out.
So this is the one instance where the .357 Magnum almost makes the grade.
I’ve been told no one should go into the Alaskan wilderness with less than a .357 Magnum. But, again, why not be sure and go with the .44 Magnum instead?
If you are in an area with large predators, bears, large cats, etc. plan on equipping yourself with a gun that can kill any of them with just one or two shots.
What if you’re in the open ocean being attacked by a shark? Believe me; you’ll be happy with the .44 Magnum here, too.
Fellow Man
Finally, this brings us to the most dangerous game of them all: Man.
This species can reason, plot, plan, and adapt. He can be a solo attacker or work in large packs. He’s often unpredictable, illogical, and irrational. Or just as easily he can be cool, calm, collected with a predatory instinct.
Humans are a challenge to plan for. The toughest ones will arm themselves with similar or superior firepower – and they shoot back. In some cases they may even wear plate carriers, making them an even harder target.
Here’s the really bad news. In a post-apocalyptic world, after only a few months, the only humans you will be facing in combat will be the ones who are truly adept at self-survival. The talented well-armed fighters will remain.
The days of the rank amateur will be over.
However, there is some good news here. Any of the rounds mentioned above can kill a human, and no one wants to be shot by any of them.
The .22LR
Even the lowly .22 LR will crack a human skull.
Sub-sonic .22 LRs, by the way, deliver the same punch with all the sound of a survival air rifle – a good option if you don’t want to draw attention to yourself.
Still, let’s be realistic. You probably don’t want to be in a gunfight holding a .22 LR pistol even if it does have a few advantages. These guns tend to be accurate because your aim is not affected by recoil. Why? Because there is no recoil.
Also, many .22 LR semi-autos and even revolvers can hold more than six rounds – but you will need every one of those rounds. Unless you hit your opponent with a headshot, or possibly a heart shot, he is not going down right away.
With the .22 LR, there is no guarantee of penetration. If the guy turns and the round hits at an angle, the energy of the .22 LR may dissipate before doing any real damage.
The same applies to shooting through bulky clothing and winter coats. The one really nice thing about the .22 LR is that you can carry a lifetime supply of ammo on your person (assuming you’re storing ammo).
So if you are planning on bugging out, 500 .22 LR can be stashed in your bug out bag without destroying your back. 500 rounds of any other ammo and your bug out bag will weigh too much to carry.
On the other hand, if you are in a gunfight with a guy with anything larger, that lifetime will be over in minutes – in which case the other thousand rounds in your bug out bag really didn’t help, now did they?
The 9mm Semi-Auto
How About A 9mm Semi-Automatic? Now we’re talking.
The Luger is not the last word in stopping power, but it’s still a lethal round. There is a reason military forces all over the world have employed this round for almost a century.
The beauty of the 9 mm is two-fold. Many makes of semi-automatic pistols offer double-stacked magazine holding up to 17 rounds. More is always better.
Plus, next to the .22LR, the 9mm Luger is most common pistol cartridge in the world.
In a post-apocalyptic world, hopefully far into the future, I can imagine that the last round fired from any weapon anywhere may very well be a 9 mm Luger (Parabellum).
The .44 Magnum
The .44 Magnum is no doubt a lethal round. If it can take down a grizzly, it can destroy a man. Let’s face it – if it can blow holes in engine blocks, it can blow bigger, messier holes in human beings. No doubt about it.
Most firearms that employ these rounds are revolvers – carrying at most six shots. Revolvers are inherently more accurate than semi-auto pistols, but the recoil of this round is monstrous.
This round will do the job in a pinch against a single assailant, maybe even a pair of bad guys. However, in a more crowded gunfight, you will want more capacity. And since you are carrying one in the case of a grizzly encounter, you’d be advised to carry a few speed-loaders and become proficient in their use.
The .45 ACP
That leaves the somewhat mythic .45 ACP. The catchphrase associated with this round is,
“.45 ACP. Because it’s just silly to shoot twice.”
Against a human being, the .45 ACP is damned deadly. An assailant hit by a .45 ACP is usually immediately involuntarily incapacitated. [this excellent study “Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness” refutes this previously made statement].
This round blows big holes in people and is generally delivered from firearms with at least eight-round magazines. Since this round is fired from a semi-automatic pistol, most of the recoil is absorbed in working the action.
These guns tend to shoot smoothly with little recoil for so large a bullet, typically 230 grain.
The only advantage the 9mm holds over the .45 ACP is capacity – which usually starts the whole argument of stopping power versus capacity – although at least one manufacturer offers a 13 round capacity for .45 ACP.
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The Ten Best Survival Guns (pistols)
These firearms are not listed in any particular order, and the order doesn’t indicate relative value or quality.
Watch the video reviews below of these survival guns to get a more detailed understanding of what each has to offer.
1 – Glock 17 – 9mm (17 rds)
2 – Glock 41 – .45 ACP (13 rds)
3 – Springfield Armory XD9 – 9mm (16 rds)
4 – Springfield Armory XD-M – .45 ACP (13 rds)
5 – Beretta Model 92FS – 9mm (15rds)
6 – Sig Sauer P320 – .45 ACP (10 rds)
7 – Sig Sauer P226 – 9mm (15 rds)
8 – Smith and Wesson Model 629 – .44 Magnum (6 rds)
9 – Ruger Single Ten – .22LR (10 rds)
10 – Ruger Super Blackhawk – .44 Magnum (6rds)
That’s ten. And here’s a runner-up:
11 – Smith and Wesson Model 686 –
.357 Magnum (6 rds) – (if you absolutely must have to have a .357 Magnum)
One caveat I do want to stress as you read this. I made this list practical for the average survivalist – which means there are no custom $3500 Les Baer 1911s on my list.
There are some great 1911s out there, like Colt, Kimber, Rock Island Armory and Ruger to name a few. However, I wanted a list of weapons the majority of people can afford while having the same utility as the more expensive alternatives.
Although the 1911s are a tried and true design with excellent ergonomics, reliability, recoil management, with precision sights and accuracy, they are also typically restricted to ten or fewer round magazines.
They also tend to be made of old school, heavy metal – pretty beefy to be carrying around in a survival situation when there are quality-made, light-weight composite-rich alternatives.
So to wrap this up:
The real choice in the best survival gun is not which one, but which two.
Carrying one survival gun for capacity and one survival gun for sheer power makes for a winning combination.
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James says
Interesting article, and you make some good points. I don’t exactly disagree with you, but would like to make the case for the .357 magnum.
My whole case (and I’ll give you it’s not a great one) is this. Because the .357 can also fire .38, and because there are several VERY good rifles chambered in .357 my theory is four guns. A good .22 rifle, a good .22 pistol, a good .357 rifle, and a good .357 pistol
This means you only really need to stock two ammos, one that is, small, light and cheap, and and one that is larger, and still fairly cheap (compared to many rifle rounds).
Add the fact that you can reload .357 and .38 fairly easily, and I personally think you have a good survival kit.
No, you won’t “win” against some Rambo wanna be LMOE (Last Man On Earth) but IMHO, this gives you what you need to svurvive with a minimum of complexity and gear to haul around.
JOhn says
Very valid points, I believe I would pick the same and being I already own them, I like it even more!
Brett Byers says
I agree, a 4-6″ .357 revolver and a carbine in same caliber and .22 pistol / revolver and takedown rifle will take down anything in North or South America. Very versatile combination IMO.
Bill Russell says
if shtf, your pistol better play a VERY small role, less than 5% of gun uses, actually. It is SO inferior to a silenced M4 223 that you’d be a complete idiot to not have one.
Bill Russell says
if shtf, the NG and miitary arsenals will be raided. There’s 10x as many 223 rds as 357 and .38 combined. If you’re going to lug around a rifle, why settle for one that has only 1/3rd of the effective range of the 223, which wont pierce soft armor, and which has no .22lr conversion unit (as does the AR15). Why have a rifle that you can’t take down and conceal in your pack (in 5 seconds)? why bother with one that’ doesn’t have a corrosion resistant finish and a chromed bore? Why bother with one that has no threaded barrel or clearance of the sights over a silencer? I MIGHT bother with a .22lr handgun, IF it’s a M21 Beretta with silencer, (9″ OAL and 15 ozs) My Edc 9mm would go along, in the front pants pocket holster, But if things are bad, you want a silenced 223 carbine, with 60 gr Subsonic Aquila 22 ammo and 60 gr Nosler Partition softpoint 223 ammo. not just a pistol. Bears are easily baited into within 50 ft of a tree stand/blind and then drop like a rock when hit in the head with a 223 softpoint.
Warren says
There is one gun not mentioned and is by far the best, the judge, snakes, hogs, rabbits, pheasant, coyote, this is what I have shot so far and for home protection second to none. A little heavy but about the same as my Ruger 44 and a huge selection of ammo. Best gun!!
JGat35 says
I would recommend the governor over the judge. The fact the Judge gives you the option of 45 LC and .410 shotgun shells is nothing to laugh at, but the governor adds .45 ACP to the mix makes it a superior firearm at least in my honest opinion.
BeoBear says
Not to mention the superior quality. I have a buddy who’s a gun salesman at our local “mega” gun store who told me they sell a large number Taurus Judge’s but they also get a large number of them back for quality related issues. The S&W is a MUCH better choice if you want one of these type guns.
Knight 99 says
Fun article, also depends on Urban verses Rural survival, along with Lone survivor verses family or friends accompanying.
Example: A short Defender style Shotgun is a great addition for urban defence and a longer version SG for Rural hunting. A lesser trained wife and/or Children/ Friends could be well served as backup with .357Mag revolver + Lever Carbine combo. Hunting or protection.
There are allot of firearm choices, best to acquire as many firearm options and skills as one can muster. Most importantly is developing survival skills including mental and physical conditioning.
Tom says
I still believe a good 30-30 marlin or winchester with a lee loader and bullet mould wpuld be a great companion light loads for small game and. Full house loads for hunting/defense. A good hunting knife , fishing gear would make a nice package . as for a pistol? A good smith and wesson model 10. Simple rugged amd easy to load for
Bud says
That’s realistic survival thinking. I like Winchesters, but the Marlin 336 is built so ruggedly it’s like a tank.
A sturdy revolver and a good, heavily built hunitng knife is a fine thing.
shootit says
Sometimes when we analyze and assume, we get things backwards. Ever hear this: If a man only has one gun, he can probably use it .It’s all about the man and how well he shoots what he has. No such thing as the perfect boolit. But there is such a thing as a man being perfect with his gun.i dont want to get shot by a 22 or a 500 magnum, if the man firing it knows how to accurately use it
TANSTAAFL says
Agreed.
sean says
you can get a rifle in 44mag also and reload just as easy and use 44 special. id rather the 44 it a moot point but i like the extra fire power
William says
There’s .45 ACPs that hold more than 13 rounds. My FN FNX-45 .holds 15 rounds and is quite accurate. It came with three 15 round magazines. It’s a bit big, but not all that much bigger than a full sized 1911.
So the FN FNX-45 has .45 ACP stopping power with 9 mm capacity. I’d say it’s the best all-around choice where stopping power and capacity are needed. Load it with +P ammo, and it’ll take down pretty much anything a .44 Magnum will, especially considering the 15 round capacity. Even without +P ammo, I doubt you’ll need very many rounds in a very large majority of situations.
I wouldn’t discount the .357 Magnum. Like James said above, it’s a viable rifle and revolver round, and still flexible as you can also shoot .38 Special through it. I have an S&W Model 60 .357 snub nose as a hiking partner. Yes, a longer barrel would be better for stopping power, but I chose the Model 60 because it’s a good compromise between easy carrying and stopping power, with revolver reliability and stainless steel durability as a plus.
I agree with the .22 as a good choice. The most commonly encountered animal food sources are small to medium game, for which a .22 does just fine. My Ruger Single Six with it’s 9.5″ barrel would do fine. And if I carry the extra cylinder, I can shoot .22 Magnums. And I have ammo compatibility with my Marlin Papoose and my trusty old H&R Model 865 bolt action rifle.
Just In Case Jack says
All valid points. Thanks for sharing.
Brian McGuire says
I think you underestimate the .22lr. You mentioned a shoot-out that automatically made the loser the man with the .22lr pistol, & automatically the winner was the man with the hand-cannon. In reality more people are killed in the U.S. by .22s than any other round. In a shootout the man with the .22lr has the tactical advantage. In this day of body armor- head shots have become the shot to make. A .22lr in most cases will be a target pistol & even if not in such a situation of survival in a Apocalypse. The Man with the .22lr would most likely have a quality weapon. In most shootouts the winner is usually the one who shoots first. However, if the shooter has a .44 magnum & he misses, it will take him 2 t0 3 seconds to re-aquire his target. In 2 to 3 seconds the man with the .22lr should be able to get off around 3 to 4 well aimed shots. At that ratio Mr. Hand Cannon is most sure to die. The .22lr full sized pistol has no recoil, so once the target is acquired it is just a matter of putting the rounds on target. The target is the upside down triangle. The eyes make the base & the nose is the top. A .22lr head shot is devastating. The bull-nose round will not exit the skull, it doesn’t have the power in most cases. Instead of exiting the skull, the bullet will ricochet continuously turning the jello-like consistency of Mr. Hand Cannon’s brain into a .22 caliber Swiss cheese like object. The .22lr & even the .22 short is an extremely effective anti-personel round. Once that round gets underneath a man’s skin that bullet is most likely taking the grand tour of that man’s body. Especially, if fired into the ribcage. There have been instances where a man was shot in the head with a .22lr & after the bullet perferated the brain several times from the ‘Ricochet-Effect’ the bullet somehow ricocheted off the top interior of the skull causing the round to travel down the esophagus & after bouncing around a bit more, ended up exiting through the man’s right ankle. The moral of the story. The .22lr & even the .22 short round are nothing to underestimate. I would rather get shot by a 9mm in the thorax than a .22lr. Btw, the .38 Special was the round of choice by most Law Enforcement Agencies for decades until the mid-eighties when Mel Gibson in The Movie: Lethal Weapon & his Beretta 9mm made such an impression on the minds of Americans that soon after the 9mm replaced the .38 Special, except for the “Old-Timers” who still carried the time proven .38 Special & the Detective’s Snub-Nosed .38.
LOUGAROU says
OR……Mr canon can take out Mr. 22Lr on the other side of a wall. Just saying…
Robert says
Only if he has x-ray vision, kinda missed the point. Mr Hand cannon shoots a random hole is the wall thereby giving away his location so the 22 can fire back through the new hole, I’m just sayin.
DG says
I so agree on a .22 LR -i also figure in a SHTF situation my 22 will get me any gun i need
JW says
I agree I’ll leave my Wilson behind take my FNX and my Thompson with all the 200gr RN I can carry. Ballistics are better on the 200gr and a huge weight savings on a few hundred rounds.
Mountain Trekker says
What happened to my beloved MKII Ruger? Trekker Out
Jim Bash says
That’s the nice thing about any of the Ruger mk series, you can’t miss. With the mk3 having a mag button instead of the old clip on the bottom msg change is faster as well. These days it’s common to find them with threaded barrel also. I have one in my god bag.
Meat Head says
I personally LOVE my interchangeable hi-cap mags for my 45ACP
Plastic Guns??
Cast Metal?
machined block stock?
I own HiPoints… One camo Carbine with “Borrowed” red dot. And the 45 pistol which actually feels good and shoots wonderful.
No Jams Yet..
John says
If I had to pick just 3, it would be the Gock 17, Glock 30( 45acp) and the Ruger 22 mag LCR. Glocks work great even if dirty. Those mentioned in this article not so much. The Ruger is a revolver and reliable. Remember in a survival situation you are not going to have a clean environment to clean your weapons so get some that will work if not cleaned after every use. You also don’t want to pack around a lot of weight if on the move. Ammo in numbers is heavy so carry more 22 mag and 9 mm and less of the 44 acp.
Misty Coplen says
Don’t under estimate the Jericho made from Israel. These 9mm hand guns are used as personal protection here in the United States, but they are the required hand gun of the Israeli Army. One thing I love about the Jericho is the safety features and how easily it is to disassemble for cleaning. The Jericho model has the rails on the inside of the weapon instead of the outside. Take the F&N for example. The F&N is a powerful hefty 9mm hand gun but is a pain to take apart.
I know that if I had to bag and bail, I would grab my Jericho over my F&N because I know that the Jericho won’t have the same issues as my F&N.
Robert says
THANK you. It is nice to have real world application thought about when making a decision. Another plus is that you opinion is your own and that makes it easier to trust your information. I’ll definitely be looking into a Jericho simply due to your assessment. Thanks again.
George says
What about the Taurus Judge 45lc/.410 larger range of ammo 1 gun.
William says
For that matter, what about the S&W Governor?
Not only does it also shoot .45 LC and .410, but also .45 ACP with the supplied moon clips that can be used like speed loaders.
And it holds 6 instead of 5 like the Judge.
The cost is more, and although Taurus makes a good gun (I’ve owned 4 Taurus) I prefer S&W.
And in this case, for that extra cost, you get the advantage of the extra round of capacity, a third type of ammo it can shoot (and a more common ammo than .45 LC), and the advantage off moon clips for that third type of ammo that can be used as speed loaders.
In addition, one thing that helped make my decision to buy the Governor over the Judge is that a coworker has owned both, and he says the Governor shoots way better.
sean says
well they make a 6 shot judge now. but i would get a raging bull in 454 casull with the 6 maybe 8 inch barrel it shoots 410 and 45lc. i can take down game big to small with it and protect myself i know what your think it will be heavy. go pick one up there so light now fells like holding a glock.
Nicholas says
The cz-p09 holds 19+1 of the 9mm Luger (and can be had for less than the glock 17).
Jack says
I agree , the PO7 should be on the list , very reliable platform , affordable and accurate
RAM says
Very informative article, as a beginner in handguns it makes me easy to cope- up the differences among each handguns. I’m planning to purchase G-17 for home protection.
Thanks
Dennis says
Greetings I have a Glock 20 in 10mm its on par with a 41 magnum and holds 15 rounds and for reloaders it will handle big mean critters. I know that ammo would be a problem in a survival situation long term.
Good ideas on weapon selection.
Denny Symes says
And you can shoot .40 S&W through it w/o a barrel change. The Glock 20 and 29 are the most versatile handguns on the market. With a barrel and spring swap 9mm is also an option.
Trevor says
Good luck finding 10mm laying around
H.D. Bag says
I guess the part where he wrote that ” I know that ammo would be a problem in a survival situation long term.” just wasn’t clear enough?
joe says
good luck finding 9mm laying around as ev1 is on the 9mm band wagon. ill stick to my 40cal was still ammo in the store when the ammo shortage was on. 9mm yeah nowhere to be found and i suspect the same in shtf too
Merle Johnston says
A good article and good advice for someone who’s thinking about starting or adding to their personal survival arsenal. Like a lot of old timers though I wouldn’t advise getting rid of an old a tried friend just to replace it with something new and shiny.
As an example. I have a circa 1960 S&W 6 inch Highway Patrolman that I wouldn’t trade for the best .44 magnum on the market. I know the 44 is more powerful than the 357 but that guns been with me so long it’s almost an extension of my hand and ammo in 357 and 38 is at least if not more plentiful as the 44.
William says
I agree. I love the .357, and the .38 Special is still a viable choice as well.
Robert.Smith says
Great page! We share almost the same opinion on the best handguns. My personal favorite is Beretta Model 92FS – 9mm
Reg says
Here’s a thought,..I recently purchased a semi auto .40 cal pistol AND a hi-point 40. carbine,….same ammo, and in a survival scenario huge flexibility.
I enjoyed the combo so much I then purchased a Taurus Judge in 45 LC and a Rossi Carbine to match,..both shot the potent 45 long colt, AND a 410 shot gun round.
If I had to take flight in a hurry I’d have survival pretty much covered. That hi point carbine was a total surprise at the gun range! Dependable, accurate, rugged, and what you save in purchase dollars you could spend on bulk ammo!
John says
Good article and discussion. I like to remember that the best firearm ever made is the one you feel comfortable with and can hit your targets. After living in Alaska for a while I never went out without a shotgun loaded with slugs. A .44 is good but the few stories that circulate about kills against Grizzlies are so interlaced with luck that I would not want to have to depend on it. Then again I know of at least on lady in her 60’s now that has be dropping a black bear a year since 1982 with a 32-20. She tried a 30-30 but it was not as comfortable for her. Love the remarks. I am a bit partial to the GP-100 and a Rossi 92 myself.
Greg Adkins says
The problem with your article,is you make the assumption everyone lives in a state where hi capacity is the norm.What if you live in a state where 10-rounds is the max.Do you still put the GLOCK at the top of the list or any 9mm handgun?
Just In Case Jack says
Hey Greg,
People should take their own personal situations and limitations into account in deciding the “best” survival gun for them. Any article that attempts to address the “best” of anything for everyone will fall short. It will never be able to be 100% “best” for everyone. I wrote it based upon what I felt addressed the majority of our readers and from a survival perspective.
Hope that helps put things into perspective for you.
Thomas Joseph says
When the SHTF, are you REALLY going to care what the NY State communists say you can carry??
Jesse says
The expression is “One Trip Pony”, not “one trick pony” and it refers to a horse so broken down it can only make a one way trip. An expression often misused. Fun article though.
Just In Case Jack says
Hey Jesse,
You peaked my curiosity on this so I did a quick search. Seems like there’s a lot of controversy around this specific expression .
Kal says
When used in this context, “one-trick” would be more appropriate. The trick is the caliber, or usefulness of the caliber. A .357 revolver would not classify as a one trick pony. Since one trick pony is legitimized in dictionaries, it’s verifiable. Using “one-trip” in this article would better suited for reliability, and does not need to referenced at all, per the writer’s discretion. There’s no need to point out something that, in the end, is only defended by opinion.
Bill Russell says
you’re wrong. It’s one trick pony, the horse that only knows how to do one thing.
Robert Whitaker says
The best gun in the world is the one with you when it is needed. Without ammo a gun is nothing more than a paperweight. Only one gun? A 22 rifle, hands down. Two guns? Throw in a 22 pistol of some sort. Remember this is survival. Hopefully mostly hunting small game. Untold deer are killed with the lowly 22 with carefully placed head shots while illegally spotlighting at night.
A bear or big cat? Better go for the eyes, as mentioned and have a good knife as back up. One gun can”t be expected to do it all. But ask yourself, how many guns and ammo can you carry along with all the other survival gear, food, etc. Chances are you will find yourself on foot with nothing more than what you can carry. I certainly would not consider myself unarmed with a 22. In some situations under gunned, yes. But never unarmed. I would be proud as hell to have my 22 instead of a sharp stick in any situation. My 2 cents.
William says
I tend to agree with you. I would have my Marlin Papoose takedown rifle, as it can fit in my backpack.
Although bit long for a revolver, my Ruger Single Six .22 LR/.22 Magnum, with it’s 9.5″ barrel, has done good for small game using .22 LR. Use the .22 Magnum cylinder, and it would surprise most people how potent it is. So I would have it too.
Steve says
If I had 3 guns for a survival situation, they would be:
1. 12 gauge shotgun (Personal choice is a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500).
2. 9mm/.45 ACP semi-auto (Personal choice is a Glock 17 or Glock 21).
3. .22 long rifle (Personal choice is Ruger 10/22 breakdown)
Runners up:
Marlin .357 carbine paired with a .357 magnum revolver, and the Ruger 10/22 breakdown in the pack with a couple hundred rounds). Why? Humans, big game predators, and hunting.
I would say that a .308 bolt action or a .30 06 bolt action would be a nice main arm, in addition to a side arm and the .22 breakdown.
Steve says
If I had to fulfill my wishlist, my Glock 17 and .22 long rifle would be suppressed. The shotgun with buckshot is for the big predators and making a loud boom at that point is the least of my worries.
Bill Russell says
.22 conversion units for 1911’s have been around since ww2, and for the AR15 since the late .70’s, There is ZERO reason to settle for having ONLY a .22, or ONLY a centerfire, when you can easily have BOTH. the caliber swap takes just 10 seconds. The .22 unit weighs just 3/4 lb. It’s easily carried in the thigh pocket of your cammies.
jeremy gauthier says
Thanks for this. Although it is just the one opinion it resonates with my gut sense. I’m only here looking for First Rifle info, but as someone who likes to research, I started here and am working my way through. IF I buy anything (see my previous comment for my shtf survival self-assessment;), my gut says start here. Or maybe I’ll just build high fences and hide everything in the basement. 😉
Bob says
Assuming I must run to the woods, my arsenal is:
Handgun – Springfield xdm 3.8 compact in 45 acp with 10 round mag and 2 13 round backup mags with red dot laser guard by Crimson Trace. Ammo – 230 grain +p. General purpose self defense ccw gun.
To get something to eat – Ruger 10-22 take down with 1 – 9 zoom scope.
To not get eaten – Marlin guide gun in 45-70 shooting buffalo bore 500 gr solids or 450 grain hollow points. Equipped with ghost ring large rear aperture sight.
I figure, based on my age and physical condition, that plus survival gear is all I could expect to backpack very far. Enough ammo for each gun to hopefully fulfill its purpose for a long time. Also plan on stealth and evasion to keep from burning through my ammo too quickly.
Bill Russell says
and just how will you CARRY all that, enough ammo for each to be worth having, and the 30+ lbs of gear, armor, water and food you’ll have to have? you wont make it 5 miles before throwing aside one or the other of the longarms (or suffering an injury to ankle or knee).
Jwright7290 says
Check out some hunting back packs from Vorn equipment, they have a back pack suited more or less to the situation being a debated here
Bill says
I like this review. You did a great job, listing the issues and taking the time to review and address the issues you list. I prefer the 357mag Rifle/ pistol (dual use etc) for home/hunting For large game/trouble; I prefer the 7.62 over the 5.56 *(both a power/value issue for me, black rifles are fine with Just in time deliveries. Depend on type of situation, end of things or a short term disaster. Bolt/Auto long rifle common M-1 (M-14 civilian version) If I was North of 37th parallel, I’d prefer the 30-06. If outside this continent the 375H&H family (sub 300 wildcat< 375, 400, If in lower west, ie open spaces The 300/338 win mag family Nice review… Basic kit, pistol, Shotgun 12 g, Scoped Long rifle… And definitely the 22 pistol/rifle platform… for trapping I would not NOT plan on carring this load. (Some would be acquired later) or preplanning…
Just In Case Jack says
Thanks Bill for the kind words and for sharing your thoughts as well.
Bob G says
No disrespect, but this isn’t a good list.
You envision a scenario in which you ony have to worry about yourself, and your whole list of scenarios is predicated on convenience; in case of snakes carry this, in case of wolves carry that, in case you’re hungry carry the other, in case of humans carry the last. Rick Grimes always has ammo because he lives in the fantasy world that many preppers live in. Here in real life the most likely trouble you’ll ever run into is getting robbed at the pump, so your moose gun is out. Maybe an intruder will get into your home, and a scattergun is arguably better than any sidearm listed. Zombies? Right. Race riots? Not too far-fetched, but should that be an issue you’re looking at holding out long enough for it to run its course. Survived a plane crash and in danger of animal attack? Where the hell did you get ANY gun, much less the appropriate one for either wolf or bear or snake attack?
Real prepping for end of society is simply to select a small number of reliable guns; a couple of handguns and a couple of long ones, plus enough ammo to keep business going. You guys think you need several thousand rounds of everything because even isolated survivors need range days? Too many end-of-days heroes argue about selecting calibers based on likely availability after it ends. Where will it be available? The End-Of-Days store? You’re more likely to find 12-gauge ammo than stumble across a cache of 9mm. I have about 1k rounds of .40 ammo, with maybe 300 of those defensive HP. I won’t go through that many rounds. No one will. I have another 1k of 9-mike for a different gun, and close to that same number in .38 and .357. I don’t have .22 because I don’t have a .22 firearm. Where I live there’s not a lot of wildlife, but if I need to kill game to feed the peeps then I’d use a scattergun or a .357 carbine. This would be fine for pretty much the only useful game likely to be available: dogs. Frankly, if it all ends I don’t see myself leaving my family behind while I try to find enough gas to get me out to where the wild game is. Instead of buying an arsenal of different calibers to employ for specific uses like wild animal attack, get a few defensive weapons that you can count on to keep something off of you, or that you can use to reach out a ways to slap the grin off of something, After that, spend your money stocking up on water, food, buttwipes, etc.
The worst thing for preppers is paranoia and a need to surround themselves with a million rounds of anything. There are loons that say one should buy a bunch of cheap guns, put them in lidded buckets with ammo, and then bury them along your escape route. That’s how some preppers think, when the truth is they have a higher likelyhood of arrest for tax evasion rather than any end-of-world engagement.
Not trying to hate, but it’s ridiculous to make a list of top ten survival guns. These are all cool guns, but they’re your personal preferences without – again, no disrespect – any logic. The only caliber you didn’t list is .380, but you did choose to list pricey guns. Instead of a specific S&W revolver, I could respect your list for having ANY good revolver (I have a Ruger.) Your list is pretty much a list of guns you think are cool.
Here’s my list: a good handgun with enough ammo, then a good scattergun with enough ammo, followed by a good rifle or carbine with, you guessed it, enough ammo. After this aquisition, that’s when you consider another handgun, another shotgun, another rifle, each with their own ammo. I know one guy (not well) who is all about prepping by getting guns, but the only food his family has is what’s in the kitchen cabinets. Their only water is probably only a case of bottles. But he’s got three or four guns of different calibers for every member of his family (interestingly, no shotguns.)
Just In Case Jack says
Hey Bob,
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
I would just say that any list of best guns (or best anything for that matter) is going to be largely based upon opinions and preferences. Best for what, best for whom, best why? I did my best to lay out my arguments with survival and preparedness aspects in mind.
So it seems we both agree to disagree.
However, I do think we agree on one thing. Firearms are highly useful tools for defending oneself against threats. I’d rather have a gun than a baseball bat if attacked, regardless of the specific size or type of gun.
Lee says
Sadly there is a real world of Bobs that make other “loons” seem like real nice people….sad they are so many around…..but they are a fact of life…..nice article with well thought out points thanks for making to effort to inform and doing so in a encouraging and positive way……unlike so many Bobs.
Sam Hunter says
I like to keep things simple.
I carry a Glock 20 Gen4 in 10mm Auto. With a Advantage Arms conversion slide in .22LR.
In the 10mm I can also shoot .40S&W.
This gives me 3 different ammo types to choose from and I have all I need for hunting and defense.
Equipped with a tactical light and a gun suppressor for the 22 it makes a complete package.
Thomas Joseph says
The article was about handguns, but if I had to pick one GUN, it would be a shotgun. With slugs and different size shot, there is nothing more versatile. I would take a high capacity 9mm pistol as a companion. Number 3 might be a 22 rifle or powerful revolver, probably 357. Fortunately we live in a prosperous society, and anyone who wants to work hard doesn’t usually have to make a choice this difficult. There are high quality and fairly cheap guns available. When in doubt, buy another one 😉
Wayne says
I would have a tough choice to make between my kimber 1911 pro carry or my sig scorpion 9mm. I like both of them. For sure I would take my buckmark 22 pistol. For rifle I love my mini 30 but the cheap plentiful Russian 7.62 x 39 ammo produces alot of hang fires which makes this gun unreliable. Probably end up taking my ar. This makes 3 different rounds to pack.
I live in California where the 10 round rule is in effect. So I would have to pack additional mags. Come this january things going to get a lot tougher here.
Bob says
I liked the article, gives alot to think about. I have been a Ruger fan for alot of years, I notice you didn’t have any Ruger pistols listed, I was wondering if you didn’t think that say the SR serious would be reliable in such extreme situations?
Just In Case Jack says
I’ve got nothing bad to say about the Ruger SR series of pistols. They didn’t make the list primarily because I was tasked with coming up with the 10 “best”. But as I’ve mentioned in other comments, “best” is a very subjective term. I have more knowledge and experience with the other guns in this list so they bumped out the Ruger SR’s.
Stuart Trapp says
I agree with most postings. I have a .44 magnum, a .45 acp, .357 magnum
and a 9mm’s. Many local and state police have returned to the 9mm
due to the recently hi-powered +P loads and the overall capacity.
If you’re in the woods where Bears thrive, a .44 mag is Number one.
Interesting how I was never a big fan of 9mm ammo but with today’s
availability of very powerful 9mm loads, the 9 is my everyday carry and
it’s a Sig P229. When a rare trip to the woods is called for. The .44 mag is
my number one with close a fast reach for my 9, even though 2 carry
pistols are banned in most, if not all states. Lastly, the 9 is cost effective.
Charles Ziel says
Of course you are discussing handguns only because obviously the first thing you learn in LE training, at least when I got my start back in the 70s, was never bring a hand gun to a gun fight,
The .357 Magnum has some other advantages. I have some flare rounds for my last remaining wheel gun plus , and I need to get some, bird shot rounds. Back in the day that was the preferred Rattlesnake round. You can summon help with flare rounds or use the bird shot to put food on the table in the form of small game. As mentioned if you bug out with two handguns the 9mm for self defense from humans and the .357 for multi purpose.
Pikerup says
9mm is everywhere. Common as can be. Get a P99 or preferably a PPQ. There’s lots of great pistols out there, but once you shoot one of these you will toss your Glock. They make anyone a good shot. Regardless of caliber or weapon, a good shot trumps all. Then an AR chambered in, you guessed it, 9mm.
Mike says
“Against a human being, the .45 ACP is damned deadly. An assailant hit by a .45 ACP is usually immediately involuntarily incapacitated.’
The preceding statement is completely UNTRUE.
Nothing one can hold in his/her two hands is guaranteed to incapacitate a human with only one shot. Not even a shotgun slug. There are many recorded incidents, mostly from LE on how bad guys took multiple shots of .45acp or even shotgun but continued to fight. The only way a guaranteed stop is achieved is with a central nervous system shot, (brain shot or spinal chord shot).
Just In Case Jack says
Hey Mike,
The article was edited in response to your helpful comment.
Here is an excellent study “Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness” that is a must-read for anyone who wants to know more about this topic.
Kevin says
A lot of good choices for guns in this article. But for bear protection, I’d prefer buck shots or slugs, however bear spray would probably be a better choice than firearms.. As backup to bear spray, I would use 10mm, probably glock 20 wiith 15 rounds. I would load it with hard cast rounds, like 220 grain Buffalo Bore ammo. It would be a good choice for wolves and other critters as well.
In an over all survival situation, my primary weapon would be an AK-47 and a Glock 20 for handgun. AK is extremely reliable and plenty deadly with 30 rounds mag. I would argue that you should be more concerned with threat from armed people(criminal gangs) than wolves. An AR-10(.308) would be a good option too, but probably harder to maintain than AK.
If assault rifles are not available, I would then recommend a 30-30 lever action. It would be a great rifle for over all haunting and protection.
David says
Thanks for a useful article and thread.
I live in a place in Europe where handguns are not very common but where small game is. We’re a family of five in an urban area and my survival scenario isn’t really one where I throw a sack on the back and just start walking into the wild on my own, fighting off grizzly bears and heavily armed competitor survivalists.
My scenario is about holding out at home for a couple of months first, economizing on our stock of food, water, firewood etc, (yes I have six weeks of food etc stocked already) and scaring away intruders that are more likely to be armed with a bat or in worst case a shotgun. And hunting small game like birds rabbit etc. If things get really ugly, either “go rural” at the family’s old farm up country. That’s why I stock some gas also, to get us there. Alternatively take our sailing boat out of the country (if neighbouring countries are any safer, that is, and how would one know?).
So it seems under this scenario I would be pretty OK with a .22 handgun like the Ruger mark 2, a gun I know well how to handle? And about a thousand rounds, some hollow point for defense. Ideally, a 22 rifle also. Yes?
Greg says
I wonder if the list would change, if (unfortunately)like me you live in California, where 10 rounds is the maximum.I wonder where the 9mm would stand.
matthew says
Just thought id let you know… After living in Montana.. If you come across a mother griz you’d better be packing a 500. Or high power magnum RIFLE as a 357 mag and even 44 mags will deflect off of the top of a griz skull.. And you didn’t cover it anywhere i saw but a pissed off bull moose is almost just as bad if not worse in its own rights..
aposrduihgnj[adeorfiughnbj says
Why in the world would you make a big deal about 22 LR ammo availability, capacity and what not. And then put the low capacity and slowest loading possible 22 LR pistol on your top 10 list… um what? And why does this list cover no rifles and only pistols.
Just In Case Jack says
We covered the best survival rifles in this post.
We covered the best air rifles in this post.
We covered the best military surplus rifles in this post.
Dave says
Great article! But I prefer to have 5.56/.223 for either my mini14s or AR, 9m’s preferably hollow point, and .22″s. I choose them because I can use them both ways, hunting and protection. Not to mention, carrying this guns and ammo isn’t bad on a long hike
Mark Dreyer says
Pardon me mixing in, but I have a question… The thing is, two points strike me immediately, & they are closely related – inevitably. The WTSHTF scenario covers North America, where of course it hasn’t happened yet: Well & good, but have you had a look into the places where it has happened?
Here in Southern Africa, we have had a string of Post-Colonial events, each closely following the same course, with much the same outcome. Let me urge you to light up a candle with the survivors; those who have actually been through it. My input.
WRT calibre, the opening article is, how shall we put it, penetrating. I also will list preferable ammunition. Bear with me.
For personal defence in confined spaces & carry (don’t bother with concealment), I also recommend 9mm PBM. It is adequate against the sort of threat presented in confined spaces, such as FROM inside a car, & for the tougher target the size of the round allows for volleys, stacking in a high capacity magazine. Furthermore, as compared to other calibres, comparatively cheap & generally available (being besides all else in the inventory of the National Executive). One more thing: In the Last Act (this has happened repeatedly down here) ammunition, & 9mm PBM ammo particularly, becomes a currency, more reliable than any kind of cash. By all means stock up. these last two points I have made apply to all ammunition. Get a Glock 17, or even Old Reliable, the Browning Hi-Power.
For actual Home & Hearth protection indoors & outdoors, go for a 12bore pump action shotgun. Therewith you can counter a broader range of threat from most predators or enemy from within striking range out to the limit it presents a viable threat, & indoors, you have less to fear from fatal ricochet (our houses are built of brick) to the danger of penetrating cover & furniture, to unknown parties out of view. You can also select a range of fine shot, coarse shot & slugs, for enemy indoors, outdoors, & their engine-blocks, or flying game & small ground game, medium game & dangerous game. I would suggest the Remington 870, or the Mossberg 500. Otherwise, the ancient Browning ‘Trench Broom’ Model 1896 – with the Springfield bayonet – at a push?
I have other input, but it should wait.
Mark Dreyer says
While I’m back here, let me finish. .22LR is not to be scorned. The first fierce heat of the interregnum will settle down to a long, long stretch of sullen anarchy, It will: Consumption of the resources of belligerence will slow the most rapacious down, & that will include you & yours. In that time you will not want to advertise your presence, or waste a shot. Then the necessary pursuit of meat & security is best achieved by stealth & stalk. Your quarry will be small game or lone enemy taken quietly, & you will wait for a killing shot at close range. Your firearm’s report should be as quiet as possible, & that without reducing the effect of the round. Your .22LR round will be as quiet as a firearm gets. In anticipation of that time, lay in stock of ammunition at ten times that of your other weapons. The small size of the round allows for storage of far more in a smaller space, & the same for carry. Best if you stockpile your ammo in two or more different (safe) places in easy reach of the need. You can carry a goodly arsenal in your pocket, unobtrusively, & it is best to be discrete with it, hide it if you can. So also for your weapon. & you want it to be light enough to carry in quiet flight in a back-pack or satchel (this is important). I urge resource to something like an AR-7 Survival Rifle by Henry Arms, which can be slapped down to to a compass & weight easier to hide, less suggestive of a long-arm.. The difficulty here is that (in my experience) the AR-7 wants High Velocity ammunition. The old Winchester 1906 De Luxe (we can dream, can’t we) can slap down, even if not stuffed up its own butt, & it is more tolerant of a variety of ammunition. You should be prepared for the same.
None of these, to be frank, will stand up to a fire-fight. Your enemy will not be a lone gunman, but a group, with rapid-fire assault weapons & enough ammunition. Strangely, a lone marksman (with training) EQUALLY ARMED is well capable of driving off or disengaging from a group without central support. Try to keep it that way. In the event of TSHTF, & only then. moral & practical issues converge & will justify taking an assault rifle in The Field of Battle, by salvage or capture. Moreover, in that event, the opportunity WILL COME. Be ready for it. You are supposed to be armed & prepared to do so. What you want is the personal weapon of the grunt in the National Executive. It will be available from all sides in the conflict, a common weapon with commonly available ammunition. This will apply as long as you & yours are under threat, generally from the same kind of weapon. During the Second Anglo-Boer war the Burghers went over to British Rifles & British ammunition, & as Gnl De Wet pointed out, Commissiriat was no longer a problem. Take more if you can, weapons, parts & ammunition. In the case of the Continental USA, it seems to me this will be in cal.5,56, & the CAR-15 inter alia, with no frills. Do not make yourself dependent on special features you cannot replace.
Until then perhaps you could invest in a self-loading rifle of the same calibre, 5,56, as the Service Weapon; perhaps a Ruger Mini-14, but if a CAR-15 is on the market, you’re good to go, at least for familiarity & practice. Just try to see that what you have – ammunition, magazines, parts – can be integrated with what you expect to have to commandeer.
What I discuss now doesn’t apply to TSHTF,or TEOTWAWKI. Your own Constitution (an enviable charter) prescribes that as ‘an organised militia being necessary to good government, no man shall be denied the right to bear arms.” Is that not correct? A second point to make is that the status quo is by no means without danger to you & yours at the hands of criminals. You need a personal weapon NOW, You can use it today, to meet your obligations as a Citizen & as a member of a family & a community (Ordered Society). You need to have it, to hold it at home, to carry it abroad, to shoot with it, to train with it & to hunt with it, given the opportunity. You should insist on it, Not the least, you may have to protect someone from a deadly threat with it. The police cannot be everywhere. Jeff Cooper described such a weapon thoroughly & well, as a Scout Rifle. Google it. His terminology elegantly by-passes the older prescription for a service rifle heavy & long enough to double as a pike or a cudgel in the battle-line. In the old days a service arm designed to shoot & nothing else was called a carbine, The best of the last of these, before the advent of the self-loading battle rifle – ah, the Garand – were bolt action, simple, light, strong, & accurate out to a practical distance, capable killers & stoppers (these two are not the same thing). The best of these in my opinion was the Mauser K-95 Plezier in cal.7x57mm. You could fight a good war with it today. The British learned all about them at Magersfontein, Spioenkop, Ulundi & elsewhere. But Jeff & Steyr got together & engineered the Steyr Scout. I have never tried it, I have & would recommend the Israeli Mauser K98k in 7,62NATO, with a red dot sight.
CanoeMan says
Hey folks thats pretty interesting stuff in this thread. I personally have been on a lot of multi-week wilderness trips through Canada and Alaska without firearms and I think the focus on defense against animals is pretty off-base. Any animal species that are left in North America are still here because they fear us; the only exception being polar bears. On the other hand, I live in New Orleans and have no trouble believing that human beings are your worst nightmare when they are scared or ungoverned. So I would roll with the .22 rifle (I pack a Henry) for feeding yourself, and the 9mm Glock to surprise the enemy camp and take hostages, or fight inside buildings. Ammo would be a form of currency, so you want to have what is the most common. If I was in a community with a defensive alliance I would like to have my Remington .270 or any deer rifle with a good quality scope manning the barricades. Again a common caliber, like .270 or 30-06. Shotguns could be useful for inexperienced shooters and children to help protect the homestead.
The lifestyle and tactics of the warlike Indian tribes are probably the most instructive tutorial on SHTF survival. Their societies grew up in response to just such an apocalyptic event,–the diseases brought by Columbus destroyed 90% of the pre-existing civilizations, which were mostly urban. Learn to track and hunt game. Build good fires. Save your seeds. The soft skills are way more important than people recognize,–cooking, cleaning, purifying water, tending wounds, doctoring infections, sewing, gardening. Remember acorns are very nutritious and store forever if kept dry. You wont live long on canned stuff.
Hope it don’t happen for a while.
DOUGLAS says
Great article. I would say a 40 sw is VERY important. Maybe more so than a .45 or the 9mm. MANY LEO have a Flock that shoots 40 caliber, so finding a police officer dead, you can take his ammo. Same with AR15, LEO or military, ammo will be pleantiful. I also use AK47, this is for when the guys come across the pond and bring their weapons, ammo should also be readily available. Anyways, that’s my opinion.
marcus mullenax says
357 mag has range….@ 100 yds…still has knockdown power…
Tyler says
According to an FBI ballistic study done years ago, the .357 magnum (125 grn hollow points, IIRC) where rated #1 in regards to one shot stops. 98%. The mighty 45acp was somewhere in the 60-75% range. It is still an excellent caliber, I just disagree with your theory about it being a superior man stopper.
Steve says
What about the FNX .45?!?!?
15 rds of 45acp and comes with 3 magazines.
MS. Sarah says
A wet evening from SEATTLE,WA.! I have a WA. CCP I carry in my purse A SPRINGFILE V10 subcompact IN 45ACP “NEVER” had a problem ! + I have a ENDFILD MARKIIII in 45ACP it use the same mag as my 45 ! It does a number on “RABBITS” ! AND yes I have a 22 single action !AND in 45ACP I have 1000 rounds YES IT is very heavy! OH yes you never have enough ammo ! MY son has the “JUDGE ” OMG I cant hold on to it !
TheDoc67 says
Where is the 10mm? It gives you power + capacity and the flexibility to load super hot wilderness defense rounds and downloaded rounds for 2 legged predators… with downloaded ammo the difference in recoil over 9mm is almost unnoticible. I’ll take the Glock 20 and carry downloaded ammo + 1 mag of super hot ammo loaded when animal attack is probable. And a Ruger 22/45.
Just In Case Jack says
9mm is a much more common round than 10mm. In survival or a widespread disaster, you won’t be able to pick up more ammo from the store. So you want to use a common round. That’s why.
Big Al says
For .22 forget LR. Get .22 magnum – it’s a more powerful round. 9mm is excellent IF it’s a high grain hollow point, as powerful as .45 for sure. So carrying those two pistols would be just fine. Stopping power is plenty with shotguns (12 gauge is common enough) or .357 magnum high grain hollow points and it’s versatile to accept .38 special if needed, also common enough round. Your primary should be AK-47 7.62mm – it never jams, always reliable, 30 round magazines or more, believe me a bear will go down if shot with AK-47 in the right places few times quickly. Can carry other calibers for fun or to play or to show off, but that’s all you really need. If you really want to play sniper then get .300 magnum bolt action and you are all set. That’s been my experience over many years. .223 Remington M-4/AR-15 types are squirrel guns that jam, don’t even touch them. I don’t.
Bill Russell says
no, man, the 223 has 3x the power of the .22 magnum. In a handgun, the .22 mag hits no harder than a 380. There are no SUBSONIC loads in .22 mag, as there are for the .22lr. There’s 20x as many rds of .22lr available than .22 mag, and post shtf, the only rds likely to be found on dead bodies will be 223, 9mm, and .22lr. Making noise will run off game, and call in your killers. .22 mag ammo costs almost 3x as much as .22lr, so which one will you practice more with? There are no .22 mag conversion units for the fighting rifles , as there ARE for the .AR15., AK and Mini-14
Kevin R says
I have a CZ P-01 and A Beretta 92G and A Colt M4 ! I think this is goodnuf for where I am.
Tina says
870 Remington 12 gauge
Savage Bolt .30-06
Colt Woodsman .22
Bill Russell says
you aint got a thing to fight with and all of it is too noisy. Get a silenced M4 and the Ciener .22lr conversion unit.
BenGolly says
You need to update your list with 10mm. Terminal ballistics usually meets or exceeds that of a .45, and the round diameter (basically a more powerful .40 caliber) allows for almost as many rounds in a magazine as a 9mm.
I’ve always been a .45 fan myself, but was completely sold on the 10mm after I got a RIA high capacity long slide: VERY powerful round, 16+1 capacity, and extremely accurate!
Bill Russell says
When was the last time any of you tried to RUN with all the gear you “think” you can/will carry, slammed prone (ie, being shot-at) rolled, jumped up, reeated? You have to be fantastically fit to do that (as fast and repeatedly as is likely to be necessary) with 40 lbs of kit and you dont have a clue how to last more than a week without 20 lbs of gear and water and you’ll need 5 lbs of soft armor, too. So you have to hold the guns, ammo, accessories to 15 lbs and you have no clue how to do that, either.
Chris says
Taking into account longer range shots and the squirrels and birds that will be most abundant — 20 ga pistol grip w/rifled barrel is arguably a better choice. Abundant ammo that might not be picked over, concealable to avoid escalation, can carry a decent amount of ammo, and have ammo options for anything.
vince says
I believe it really comes down to your level of training and your mindset. Cadillac, Ford, Chevy. What are you comfortable with and do you have the ability and training to do what may become necessary
John says
When everybody talks about how big a gun or how many rounds to carry. Its the weapon you have and know how to use it. A person may only have a 22 pistol and hit a dime and that same person shooting a larger bullet may not hit the broadside of a barn. Many people have more than just one weapon and can’t shoot to save their life. Take one weapon and get skilled using it to save your life. Most home have many weapons for many uses 22 lr, 223, 30-06, 308, 9 mm, 45 and 10 and 12 ga etc. Just shot and shot more till you confident that weapon will save your life. One thing to remember always bullet don’t have names on them and if you miss what’s behind what your shooting at. Know what damage the round your shooting will do and penetration.
Jwright7290 says
I plan on staying where i am, plenty of guns, of different calibers, plenty of ammo available from my personal supply, and from friends and family. Can easily setup a society as i live on 50 acres just 2 miles outside of a 2500 person town in northwest colorado. I also known more than half of my town and the next towns on either side, plus if i dont know them, then someone else does. I guess my goal in stating this, is this, yes, guns will be 100% needed for protection and hunting, but humans are naturally social creatures that work better in a group, a larger group has more of a chance of fights and arguments but, that is better than living on your own or with a small group getting raided on a hunting trip, leaving one or two people behind to guard the fort. If i had to pick calibres for my use, i really couldnt. as i am staying put, i like variety, its gonna pretty much be, you find ammo, you find guns, pick them up, bring them back, i will have guns for long range, i will have guns for short range, i will have semi auto rifles, i will have lever action rifles, bolt action, pump action shotguns, semi auto shotguns, revolvers semi auto pistol, maybe a couple bolt action pistols for longer ranged shooting. If you are settling down, do so in an area suited to the groups worst case scenario, and build from there. That is all for now.
Paul says
Choices choices
I still think that a 22LR is not a bad choice for a handgun if you are good at it, at closer range against humans.
I already have a 40 semi-auto, so I am looking for a good 22LR pistol for backup.
As far as rifles, I have a 308 FAL, an SKS, and a 22LR bolt action. Plus the 870 Remington 12 gauge. So a bit much to carry around.
I love my FAL but carrying it and the ammo might be too much. So I might stick with SKS and the cheap abundant ammo.
If I had to run, I would take both handguns plus the SKS. Then maybe the shotgun, 22, and then the FAL.
If I am able to get a .223 semi-auto rifle, I probably use it in place of the SKS.
Then the ammo load will be pretty much 22LRs, .223s, and some 40s.
Thoughts?
ps. that means I would have to leave behind my quarter-staff, my spear, sword, bow, and cross bow, dang! Ah, and the Lee-Enfield as well.
S. Gardner says
HK USP .45 12+1 ….I’ll take it before all others.
Matt Lee says
I can see where you’re coming from with the exception of the .38 Spl. Why? You’d be surprised at how many back woods bait and tackle shops you still can find boxes of lead round nose AND shot shells. I have a nifty pack with a shoulder holster for a large revolver currently housing a Smith 29, thigh rig for Sig 9mm, a pouch in the pack for my Ruger .22lr. If I come upon a rattler or moccasin (common here and where I’d be heading), I’m not going to take the time to fiddle with opening pouch and getting .22. I’m reaching in my pocket and grabbing my Smith 642 I keep loaded with shot shells whenever I’m in the woods (Critical Defense loads in it in town). If you don’t have one, you’ll be fine, nothing I would rush out to buy for this specifically, but I wouldn’t discount a small .357/.38 in your pocket or “down home” shops with it on their shelves once abandoned.
John Tripaldi says
Good Article,
I Recently Purchased the Governor 45 ACP W/Moon clips 45 Long cold – Variety of 410 Loads Deserves Respect. On Ps. also have .357 desert Eagle and .22 Long and Magnum Cylinders. My short stock I find the 300 Blackout useful?
Channing says
I would go with a 22lr Bolt + 22lr Revolver combo, a Single Shot 12ga with multiple caliber adapters, and a 30-06 Bolt.
yrogerg yenkins says
Well this is fun. But the AR pistol (10.5″ barrel) is the one gun carry that is pistol and rifle, only chambered in 300 AAC Blackout. The casing is cut 5.56 and the bullet 7.62 the most available cartridges around. And its a deer hunting round at ranges beyond 350 yards. Try that with your 22LR and 9mm Lugers.. Oh yes magazine capacity, well how much can you hold up, 10 to 100 rounds or more. Single point sling and you are in business. Optics range, well you know, flip ups, red dots, scopes you name it. How about a combo laser for close range and an ATN 4 to 20 power day night vision scope. Tremendous versatility. QED
Richard V. says
Ref:
In 2018 you must include the S&W MP 9mm 2.0 compact.
The 2.0 compact is a very Strong Competitor in every aspect has had excellent reviews even by the most harshest critics in the industry.
I upgraded the pistol with a Apex flat forward trigger kit a upgraded semi drop-in Barrel and optic night sights.
Now I own one of the best handguns in the world
Richard-
Russell Bowman says
Well, I am a novice. Now that you all totally confused me, what’s next? Say I only have 500 bucks to buy one used gun. Would a used 12 ga pump shot gun with two barrels with different lengths and chokes be the best choice? I probably will not confront a bear here or a puma in the south east USA but it can happen rarely. But wouldn’t a 12 ga mag slug stop anything here? As far as hunting for meat goes, wild bore, squirrels, varments, and deer would be the most prevalent here. Knowing the local land well and stealth would get me close enough to the two legged kind if I had to. I think a shot gun with different barrels and rounds could handle it all. What do you think? Remember, I am a retired po guy just moved to the country and can only spend 500 bucks for one gun and some 300 bucks for rounds. And please, no confusion if you can help it,,,y’all.
Greg L Buechler says
I would choose a Mossberg model 500 and a Heritage Arms 22/22 mag combination. You could purchase both ot them for about the $500 and you can get and carry enough ammo for the Heritage to last weeks in a pocket.
Whoever says
🙂 And I love my gun… and why did not you mention this gun… and don’t you dare to underestimate the efficiency of this one…. Everybody has personal opinion and preferences. Heavier and more powerful caliber or lighter and more precise and who will take out another guy in shootout, and who would be better off when the s. finally hit the fan… The article provides good arguments for specifically survival situation and gives good examples of guns based on basic logic and quality of several weapons. The rest, all this arguing, is rather pointless. Personally, out of all the guns I tried (and I did not try them all), I find in many cases I’d stick to CZ followed by Beretta px4 and then by Sig, all 9mm. The first because of excellent workmanship, exceptional accuracy, and ergonomic; second because of unique smoothness of operations and low recoil (though it cant surpass the accuracy of CZ); the third because of ergonomics and accuracy and all because of universality and reliability. All not so much by logical reasoning but simply due to experience of shooting. Thats what my hands tend to gravitate to when I want to shoot. But frankly most of the guns mentioned both in article and in comments are very good guns from practical point of view.
And who will survive better or who can outshoot who… I tell you who. The one who has cooler head, better training and have a sober understanding of both advantages and disadvantages of whatever weapon he happen to have. And also more lucky. Walking around in apocalyptic world all hung with rifles and handguns like a Christmas tree (like some suggested)…. I guess these guys never walked more than a mile from their Suvs. The idiot like that would not only be a great target for one skillful guy with just a crossbow or simple slingshot, not to mention a single 22mm gun in hands of the quick mobile attacker, but also how soon he would start disposing of his great arsenal if he needs to walk far enough, be it in the urban area or in the bush? In the situations like that every ounce starts to matter. Your three pounds .500 pretty soon will be hated and next you trip will be left home (or whatever pass for it). The best weapon is the one that is with you when needed. On the hunt? Have one rifle, preferably lightest and most reliable. Need to hunt for food? Maybe leave grizzly alone, unless you enjoy risking becoming a food yourself. Rabbits or gees might be a smarter choice. Self-defense concerns? Id take Glock (not my ‘favorite’ but has reputation for exceptional reliability and its light too), small knife (better than pistol in small quarters) and a stick for a good measure (useful for many other purposes and can shield against attack contrary to either gun or knife). Etc…. Bottom line, repeating myself – its the man who wins, not the weapon he has.
Dave says
I am not disagreeing with the logic in the article, or from the many comments. But keep in mind, you need to haul spare parts too. A revolver has one or two spings, a semi auto has 3 (including the magazine). Also, something to keep in mind, if you are in a firefight, you need to remember to pick up your mags. You can’t drop them like in war, once they are damage or lost, all you have a fancy single shot weapon. Does this mean revolvers rule the world, no, but it is something to keep in mind.
Stan says
Wow many thoughts and scenarios, I see 2 ways of doing a SHTF experience. The first is “if” you are in a place where you have the luxury of staying in one place, well then you may have the luxury of having a variety of weapons and many different caliber ammunition stockpiled? It’s a different world if you are on foot, and leaving say LA or the Bay Area, where a zillion scared and hungry people are having a bad day. The question is. Just how much can you carry? It’s all about survival right? If you are on foot, my military training kicks in and then there are 2 and no more than 3 calibers, The military uses 9mm, .556 and 7.62 x 51 NATO, There are a lot of these rounds around, you can find them anywhere. I think your biggest problem would be people, It’s nice to avoid them, So in a perfect world, my choices would be my S&W M&P 10 w/ no less than 8 mags of 20. My CZ 75 SP-01 and my CZ RAMI as a back up, (Both 9mm,) The S&W Is a fine battle rifle, accurate and I’ve been hitting metal plates out to 600 yards with it. And I’m fairly confident it can take down anything in North America. But if you are on foot, you want to travel light and travel fast. Water and a life straw, some food (mRE’s), a few pair of good socks, a boonie cap and a beanie, a change or 2 of clothing, a jacket, an ultra light tent and a bedroll. Some small electronics and a solar way to charge them. A compass, toilet gear, I think I’d be packing out at about 25-30 pounds. And even at that weight you have to be in some kind of shape, and I’m not. Somebody may need medication, Different people different challenges. In a SHTF situation and if you are on foot, challenges will abound. If you are still alive after the 1st 3 weeks, you may be part of that 15 or 20 % that make it. Just maybe
a good knife,
NOT afraid to DIE says
Good caliber info. I’m handicapped so bugging out not likely.
If SHTF I guess most Important is saving bullet for myself.
Most likely 12ga. Just my two cents.
John says
Hello Jack. Thank you for all the great information and to all those who provided comments. There are so many guns on the market. Does anyone have a comment or opinion on a Walther PPQ M2? I don’t see or read too much regarding these handguns.
Thanks,
John
Frank says
As usual, the comments reflect the many choices in firearms and that ultimately, personal comfort and performance with a handgun, rifle or shotgun wins out over anything else.
I am of the opinion that if you like something, you should keep it, carry and use it. There is no way anyone of us can survive doomsday without gear and supplies. And while it’s nice to create a perfect kit or list of firearms, we often have to use what we own and maybe add to it as best we can.
I own an old K98 in 8mm which is in great condition with a really smooth action. It’s old but not beat up, common for WW2 rifles and parts can be had, but still more of an antique and lacks features of modern rifles, but it works and can kill effectively.
On the flip side I own a 9mm Taurus PT99 of which I will probably get the most use as it’ll be my primary pistol and defense.
I would like to go with the .22 and .357 combinations, but it’ll take me some time to build up my arsenal. I like the idea of being able to use 3 to 5 different types of ammo as scrounging will be common, maybe necessary and if I am able to make a lucky find I hope to be able to have something to make use of the ammo. As it happens, my father, a retired Marine prefers 30-06 or .308 and 9mm or .45, with 223 someplace on his list and he sees no use for .22 or airguns.
As it stands we have 9mm and 12 gauge ammo, but have yet to develop a strategy or plan. The 8mm may just have to be an accepted oddball. It’s what I am used to 🙂
CR says
Sig p-320 in a 9mm,Ruger 1022 in breakdown
With a great optic threaded then my tikka t3 light in 308 good optics threaded just my choice load everything in the big tired wagon and head to the river
Aaron says
45 acp is pretty much the worst round of all time as far as “all around” cartridge. 10mm is more effective and travels faster while delivering far more knock down power. .357(while delivering slightly less performance) is far more common than 10mm and is available in non semi auto format(making it far more consistent). 44 mag is far more capable than all of them but not as effective as 460 which is also capable of firing 454 as well as 45 colt in an emergency situation. This is just a handgun scenario…as far as rifle rounds again the 460/454 /45colt shine as well as your basic 12g for everything. Bottom line, there is no “all around” gun, but for the average person, if I had to make a choice… 357 mag (also shoots 38s) or the 460(tough call, it shoots 4 rounds(both are available in rifle) and a 12 gauge shotgun.
Chop says
Good article. I would say that the bear and large cats should be in two separate sections m. What’s the likely hood someone runs into a grizzly unless your on Montana or the far north states. Also even a wolf or large cat can be taken with a 9mm or 40. Maybe not hunter humanely but still they are thin skinned animals
Caleb says
True shtf scenario? Lots of 22LR with both a .22 revolver (reliability when you get a dud/softstrike) and a ruger 10/22 stainless/synthetic barrel painted black if need bewith 4 BMG mags.
Why?
Reality. Short of having fort knox, you are going to be mobile on occassion or want to be for at least foraging. They are wicked accurate and can fire hundreds of rounds without jamming.
But one more critical factor. I would load blends of hyper velocity and high velocity hp’s and solids. I’ve teste dthis and found no issues in a clean and static environment.
Each magazine holds 25 rounds, does not protrude all that much and above all, 500 rounds of .22 doesn’t weigh much. Thats bigger than you think. Water will become the most precious commodity. You wont live long without it. So no matter what m4 or hand cannon you are toting around its going to pale compared to that 2 extra quarts of water you wish you had.
Regardless, weight is a huge factor when on the move. Keeping it light will increase your chances. Ammo can weigh a LOT depending caliber. 100 rounds of .45, .357, .39, 9mm. 44 ad nauseum will max your toting soace and weight limit quickly. 4 small 50 round boxes of .22 won’t.
As far as taking down grizzlies I have no intention of bugging out to Alaska or Canada. Its hard enough to survive in peace time let alone bad guy eras. Fir thise that do, leave us your next of kin and we wish you well.
For the remaining 99.999%, think of the lower 48. The lowly .22lr is surprisingly effective. Utilize hyper velocity rounds and you have near 22 Magnum performance in the first 50 yards thus eliminating the need almost entirely for .22 mag ammo and gun. Said another way, in close encounters with man, hyoer velocity ho’s will penetrate and expand nicely. Throw 6-8 in 2-3 seconds at said guy and it will feel like a hornets nest landed on his head and chest seconds before he dies.
Try doing thag with your 44/45/357/whatever….accurately with adrenalin pumping,!target moving….good luck…..
No, for MOST the .22 is ideal. The game you are hunting wont be 9 feet tall with 6 inch nails. You will only hear about when the guy with hand cannon missed and after 2 shots the grizzly was on him.
I woukd bet most will succumb with 3-4 well placed 22 hyoer velocity rounds in under 25 yards or less. And based on the weight savings you will have hundreds to go should his commrades feel squirelly.
Its that or opt for an AK, 400 roomds, spare boot lace with knots and 3 in 1 oil for cleaning and have at it.
Caleb says
Sorry for
The typos earlier but doing this on a cell phone in a hurry tends to leave an errant stroke or two…..give the .22 some thought. The goal in survival is to survive?
Not to test your mettle with every MMA wannabe with a gun and no experience shooting it. You can’t miss him. Shaved head with that ready for prison goatee and mustache and a few days a week in the gym.
Overly confident and self appointed leader to all around him. He’ll be the guy bleeding out in the parking lot from .22lr holes all through him from some dour wx mom and two cubs to protect on their way home from food gathering.
He’s the same guy that used to say “.22 will just piss em’ off”. And as you will routinely see, they will be in every oublic spot exposed like custer dressed in fresh cammies and cargo ladened outwear looking like Walmart’s best outdoors customer.
Idiot…..
Never under estimate ANY gun in ANY caliber as YOU are NEVER as tough as YOU think and anything made of lead, no matter how small, will open you up faster than a kids presents on xmas morning….
Be smart….don’t be that d-bag.
Loooow profile. Practice. And with a .22 and a few months practice you’ll be
More than confident in your ability to place well aimed shots out to 100 yards.
No scooes, ACOG’s, batteries, cargo pants, or MMA wannabe attitudes or training needed?
Learn to deploy quickly and always practice double Taps. And it being .22 you can AFFORD to get good at it.
A thousand rounds of .22 is about $50 currently. A thousand rounds of .45? Cheap stuff puts you at, or around $320-$350…..6x as much…best case.
Now, grab teo 550 round valu packs at say walmart. About 5-10 each? Just guessing….now, grab/heft 20 boxes of .45 acp….what? 3lbs give
Or take each? 60-65lbs?
Now add all the water and food, clothing cooking utensils, pop tent, bedroll and other things and guess what?
You ain’t leaving. You are leaving 1/2’pr more of that ammo behind but hey, you got your .45 will stop anything ray gun so you are good to go? And when it runs out you have a 2+ lb hammer so….there’s….that….
No, opt for the .22 revolver (4 inch barrel) and the .22 rifle, grab 1,000 rounds giver or take of premium ammo and all in you are at 18lbs….?
Then add your other stuff and you might sneak out with 65lbs of stuff. Enough to last a few weeks if need be.
Head to secure sources of water (high ground), pick a spot with at least 3 approaches nearby to evade if need be.
And always be on the lookout for the dead MMA wannabe’s. They will be a good source of protein bars, vitamins, layers of clothing, fingerless gloves, hats, razor blades, and the latest in gym wear.
That way you can bug out in style.
Steve says
I love my FN 5.7, for light weight, effective range, 20 round mags, ability to carry many rounds.. along with my AR 5.56.
William E Dunbar says
Interesting article and follow up comments. This is my opinion. There are really only 2 survival situations. They are either man made or natural disasters. Your home is only defensible for a period of time before either help arrives or someone/someone’s takes it. The word will get out that you have the food and the hungry will do anything needed to get it. I stock enough food and the ability to get water for something like 30 days. If you see it’s not going to be better by then say goodbye and head for your ‘remote’ survival camp area. Figure out now where you will go and have a couple of backup places. I want to stay away from people. My survival pack is based on being able to set up a small well hidden camp near a water source. It’s comfortable but without frills. (unless you count my instant coffee packs as a frill) I can stay warm or cool and dry. I can cook/heat very small. I carry a small fishing outfit and a 10/22 TD and .22 pistol. My pack weight come in around 60lbs including ammo. I would hunt small (big kills attract attention). If you’re reasonably skilled in the woods the .22lr is all you need. I carry some preloaded BX-25’s and some Tri-mags for the 10/22. all total preloaded and boxed about 500 to 800 rounds. All I want is to be able to lay down some rounds to cover my fast retreat in the event of confrontation. I simply want solitude, food, shelter, water. I’ll leave the rest for Rambo.
Tom says
I Live in Alaska so yes a 44 magnum is one gun that will be with me along with my 44 carbine also my 22 LR but also have the option to carry my brake down keltec 9mm and my Beretta 9mm the other choice would be my brake down 22 410 over under
gmoney says
I love this debate! All are right, no doubt. My 2 cents. Survival gun calibers and guns are kinda separate. .38 and .357 work together same with 22 handgun and rifle. id take a 9mm too because it is so common ..12 gauge and an ak first then an ar .. if I get both ill take em. So that’s 8 ass kickers. If a bear gets me because my 357 wasn’t a 44… he wins. Im bettin on me though.
Ray says
Plenty of black bears have been killed by a .357 mag. so, unless you plan on living in Kodiak country, your good to go!
Guy says
Lot of nice guns shown here. My family is a 1 income family so we are very limited I own a missberg plickster a hi point c9 and a hi point 995 ts carbine. All we can affrod really other than our food rashions and but out gear a couple thousand round if ammo. While I agree my 9 mm may not take down a bear. With what we have I think we could survive.
Jttk says
I hope you guys carrying a revolver during a WROL scenario don’t have to fight off, maneuver on or suppress a badguy(s) carrying an AR, AK or similar.
In this scenario, it really does not make sense to exclude a good quality AR as your primary weapon for the following reasons:
Proliferation of ammo. Inexpensive ammo to stockpile.
Magazine capacity. Longer range relative to ANY pistol caliber. Stopping power relative to any pistol caliber. Manual of arms very easy to learn and operate. Low recoil. Ergonomic design. Lightweight. Proven reliability and effectiveness in combat. Spare parts logistics. Suppressor options. Laser and IR with nvg options. Easy swap of uppers depending on mission/scenario parameters, e.g. 18″ scoped upper suppressed using 77 gr match king for relatively quiet long distance or hunting. Ability to establish fire superiority…simply not an option with a revolver.
Why limit yourself with inferior firepower? Why limit your scenario to justify a revolver? Go big and be prepared for ANY scenario. Train hard, shoot alot and field test your kit. Throw your 3lb revolver on you hip and ruck with 40-50lbs through the woods. Then try a lightweight semi-auto at a 1/3 of the weight.
Take a legit (MVT) simunition or airsoft training course from someone and use a revolver against guys with ARs. How do you think that will go?
I love revolvers as much as the next guy (own a Python and a GP100) but I will quickly sell/trade those for more practical goods if the storm clouds start to gather. Be pragmatic, not emotionally tied to a weapon.
FWIW. My primary long gun choice is a Daniel Defense MK18. Short and handy but can reach out if need be. Can be suppressed. Proven platform in combat. Has performed flawlessly for me training/shooting. I also have a Colt 6920 that has been 100% rock solid through tons of hard use and thousands of rounds. Sidearm is a Glock 19 or a Glock 22 or both given the proliferation of 9mm and .40. But honestly, sidearm choice is irrelevant in light of my rifle.
Jim says
If limited to one gun then it would be a .22LR pistol in a revolver. Accurate, won’t jam and will get the job done if you do your part. I would have to say if a rifle was my only choice then a bolt action 308 or 30/06 would be my choice. Accurate, has long range capability and if the shooter does his part he can snipe all day and be far out of range of the “Pray and Spray” guys. Maneuver and fire over and over is the name of the game. Stay put and get surrounded.
Shenandoah says
I’m buying my first Gun since I finally have the funds. Something to add to my Survival Gear for when SHTF but I’ve never been taught much about guns nor how to shoot but I believe they are necessary. So as a woman what do you suggest I start out with to learn the feel and start practicing. Also where can I go online to obtain my gun license? I am very hesitant about getting a license and registering because I feel basically I’m ratting myself out. I prefer for the big boys in Washington to not be aware of my supplies or gear if you feel me.
All lives matter says
.38 special is a center fire
Jimmy says
Many here tend to think that they will be shooting bad guys every day and have to carry a Hugh Selection of guns. Not true. I worked thirty years as a Policeman and carried a gun for over thirty years. Actually only had to take it out of the holster maybe a dozen times in all those years. Actually pointed it at a human three or four times. Never fired it at a single person, of which I am glad. Many here think they cannot wait to “Drop the Hammer” on someone protecting themselves and others, NOT ! I hope no one here ever has to, but be prepared and be willing to live with yourself if you do. Know what you do is the only choice left to you for your survival. Not just because you “CAN”.
Having stood on my soap box now I will say that to me the most important issue is the caliber of the weapon in relationship to available ammo. As the Author stated you cannot carry but a limited amount of ammo with you before weight becomes a factor. I always think of what kind of ammo will be the most often found for sale or barter. Mostly Barter. .22 is found and stockpiled everywhere due to cost and size. 5.56 since it is current military ammo is everywhere, 9mm and .40 cal, as well as ,45acp can always be found due to military and Law Enforcement use. 30/06 while not the best flavor now was a standard for decades and can still be found everywhere as well as .308 Win. (try finding extra 300 win mag or 338 or .50 cal. ammo) I worked at a gun shop after retirement and saw a .44 mag. returned/traded and resold six times due to the recoil of the revolver a S&W ! Plain old 12 ga. shotgun ammo is found in almost any country hardware store. Might be No. 7 shot but still do the job at close range which is all a shotgun was designed for. By the way a .357 Mag pistol is still one of my favorites and in the hands of a competent shooter or a inexperienced one it cannot be beat for close range self protection. I for one can shoot ne at least twice as accurate as a semi auto, just what I cut my teeth on I guess.
Thank You and is just my two cents worth.
Jim
Sean says
I think the glock 19 should be added to that list. It has very good handling for shooters who are less experienced and is easy to conceal.
rueben says
this is one of the more impressive articles I ever read your philosophy and treats me I’m a believer of God but also I believe we need to defend ourselves with the right equipment there’s a lot of going on in this world now hey we need to be open your eyes not to be blind
Bob says
Just saying the M&P 40 is not something to just throw out of the window you do realize it’s 3 different guns with minimal parts swap it will shoot .357 Sig, 40 S&W, and 9mm NATO there are multitude of guns that can be converted with minimal parts swapping to adapt to whatever survival situation you are in all you may need is a barrel and a mag
j says
A 22lr will kill a grizzly and puncture the skull. Bella Star killed a record-sized grizzly in 1959 with a bolt action rifle. Also, 9mm is effective at taking down a grizzly. Neither round would be ideal but it can be done in a pinch.
Jacob says
To play devil’s advocate, perhaps a muzzleloader would be ideal. Not for defense but for survival. You can carry a whole lot of black powder pretty easily and it turns out that every single tire on a car has lead wheel weights that can be melted down into shot for a muzzle loader. Seems like a lifetime of ammo at ones disposal. I understand that you can’t rely on a muzzleloader for self defense but I think it has it place in the discussion for survival. I mean, it worked for our forefathers for hundreds of years.
chrisb says
Good article, however I disagree when it comes to 357 magnum ( or 357 maximum revolvers ). 1, straight walled, rimmed pistol cartridges are some of the easiest to reload. An old lee loader kit with 2 dies and a mallet, or heck, a rock and piece of leather and you can deprime, resize, prime, and seat/crimp 38/357..basically the tool set is the size of 2 rolls of lifesavers. A pound of powder is 7000 grains, some loadings for 357 cast lead are 4 to 5 grains. 1000 primers is the same size or smaller than a box of 50 loaded rounds. A simple scissor mold and a campfire and you can cast your own bullets.. Mold is the size of a pair of scissors, literally. Bullet lube, in the hereafter could be as simple as paraffin wax and grease, softened and mixed, applied to cast bullet. Charge case and seat. All your reloading tools and supplies fit in a space the size of a kids lunch box, and weigh a few pounds.
2, if you go 357mag, you can shoot mags, 38+p, 38s, and 38 short colt. Add in max if you have a max chambered revolver, that is a huge range of shootable ammo.
3, recoil management and staying on target. Is there anything a 44mag will do in 1 shot that a 357 can’t do in 2? Target acquisition, firing, recoil and reacquisition on a heavy 44 may be better spent with a 357, especially if you have 2 targets. 2attackers and you might stop both with a quicker 357, vs stopping 1 , with extra wasted stopping power, only to have #2 get you.
4, I like the idea of like ammo weapons. A nice 13rnd 1873 sporting pattern rifle, and a 4″ 357 revolver make a great pairing. Same ammo types, and the ability to take medium large deer, hogs and other similar game, as well as good 2-legged defense, and still not undergunned for bear, if you stay aware, etc.
Unknown Soldier says
Jacob, most cant handle modern firearms, black powder, even smokeless shooter do not understand it.
To the OP, I hope you have flame retardant pants on.
The FBI called Elmer Kieth’s 327 magnum invention “The Man Stopper”. That was in 1936. The FBI and LEOs carried either the 38 special OR the 357 mag. They all shot Elmer’s cast hollow until 1966 when protected point handgun rounds came out. I won one of those FBI Ideal boolit molds.
Why is the 9mm better than the 38/357, you can carry more. THATS IT.
Every other self defense category, the 38/357 wins hands down.
The 38 special is longer than the 9mm, the 357 mag is longer than the 38 special.
In the 1880s they learned the longer cartridge meant more FPS and more distance. Thats why the 45/70 became the 45/90, the 45/110, and now the 45/120.
My wife’s under 38 special rounds (158gr not 123gr) Will out shoot standard 9mm ball.
So why do you need a 9mm, like the Army, they are full of bad shots. Yet the special forces all use 45 ACP, and pilots model 6 S&W 38 special.
I teach my learners that the 357 mag hand gun and lever action are the best survival firearm combo. Cody Lundin says all you have to do is get away from people,. and you will be safe.
A revolver and lever will do just fine.
If you are a bad shot, do not have the time to train, then by all means, shoot an auto, just beware of all the things that can go wrong. Revolvers do not have any problems, except those that dont practice with them.
With a shoulder bag full of reloading stuff, you can go deep and be safe. Your not fighting an army, you are trying to stay alive.
Now that I have all this. I do not like handguns, and I have no use for them. I do own one.
A Sig P220 in 45ACP. Why. Ive shot nothing but 45ACP since about 1968 or so. The P220 is a superior 45.
The Mrs has a box full of 38s and 357s. She is a wee lass, but carries a bigger punch than I do.
The 357s all shoot 38 special for her. Me I bump them up a tad. at 1400fps you get the Dirty Harry recoil like a 44 mag. Anything over that and you are holding on for dear life.
Oh yeah, 123gr 9mm can NOT go 1400fps, They blow a part.
Almost forgot, you can load 38/357 with black powder 😀
I have about 20 lbs, which would last her 38s and my 45/70 years.
Not so 9mm, moving parts get gummed up.
Bill says
There is a serious gap in these options. A .454 Casull is a far better all-in-one survival gun, if ready to accept moon clips. Moon clips weight almost nothing, and with them, your .454 can fire Casull (more powerful than .44 mag), .45 Long Colt (+P loads are just as powerful as .44 mag), .45 Super, .45 ACP…anything .45 caliber, really. If you want to go one better, you could get a Raging Judge and shoot .410 shells, or a S&W .460, but I’d say the extra weight isn’t worth it. Of course, a revolver is easily scoped, accurate, and reliable, too. With moon clips, it’s almost as fast to reload as a semi-auto, too. There’s no reason to bother with a .44 magnum, much less a .500 S&W (seriously, get the .460 if you want a rifle-weight pistol for some reason), when the .454 gets you more variety and access to .45 ACP. In addition, if you have basic reloading supplies, a .454 can handle whatever powder you can get, from black powder to poorly-measured loads (provided you under-load it for .44 mag or .45 ACP levels because of its high case capacity and high pressure tolerances.
A .357 with moon clips can fire 9mm, also, though accuracy may be either fine or terrible, depending on the gun and its rifling. Also, .38 Super, .380 ACP, etc. A light and/or compact .357 would make a great second survival handgun, though a .22 should really be a higher priority.
A SHTF gun should be able to handle as many calibers as possible, preferably very-common ones. Autoloaders can’t do this, .40 cals can’t do this, and the .500 S&W definitely can’t.
Of course, an AR-15 pistol can be very light, has light, common ammo, and is very accurate, as well, just bulky. And in SHTF, no one’s gonna care if you put a stock on it after the fact to make a little carbine.
balisong says
I stock only the needed calibers. 9mm ,22lr and 223, I mustly use airsoft and .177 to handle the things must poeple use the .22lr rof. The silencer on the 223 AR makes those rounds as “tame” to use as the .22 conversion unit is without the “can” being mounted. I so long ago mastered the AR that I no longer need to shoot it from my strong side shoulder. So about 5000 rds per year of .22 and 1000 rds of 223 go thru the rifle . I run about 5000 rds of my cast bullet reloads per year thru my belt 9mm, and about 1000 reduced loads thru the pocket 9mm, along with about 3000 rds per year thru the silenced M21 Beretta. About $1500 per year of ammo, all together. I spent half as much more on the range trips, typically, as do most people I shoot airsoft and .177 daily, untess I’m going to live fire that day, which happens about twice a week. Once the longarms come out, the pistol wont amount to a hoot. Anyone with a brain, who has only a pistol when shtf, is going to use it to ambush somebody and get a rifle. If all you can get is a milsurp bolt action, shotgun, or .22lr rifle, use that to get a real firghting rifle, ia 223 AR has to be at the end of the chain, or a silencer has to be made for the .22lr autorifle. Cuase those are the guns that will save you.
balisong says
th shtf pistol to me has to be a subcompact, single stack 9mm in a kydex front pants pocket. Your silenced AR-15 shorty better stay in your hand or on your assault sling. So the pistol will have a very small role. A possible exception is if you’ve hidden the rifle in your backpack, so as to seem innocuous, while you hitch a ride, enter a town, cross a bridge, etc. All contact with others, for the first year of shtf, should of course be avoided, but if you need medicine, etc, you may be forced to take the risk. then the 9mm moves from the pocket to IWB, and if the pack comes off, the silenced pocket .22lr moves from the gunny-sack fanny pack, (worng at the navel) to the IWB rig, too. There’s almost certainly going to be people and dogs that have to be put down, quietly, while keeping the AR either in 223 or concealed.
balisong says
to me, the blet gun is just a way to practice while keeping the wear and fouling off of the actual carry gun. My wife is so petite and dress so daintily that the P32 keltec is all she can wear. Her shtf gun is a silenced, short barreled variant of the Marlin Papoose .22lr. cause it’s all she can manage to lug around. If something happens to me, the .32 will have to be handed to our daughter, my pocket 9mm will go to my wife, the M21 and AR will have its bolt remove and it will be cached, along with its gear and ammo, and extrame care will have to be taken that they not have any contact with anyone, for a year or more. After she thinks that she can put full faith in her new guy, he can dig up the AR and the M21. The .32 Keltec features a locked breech, a very rare thing in today’s .32’s. It can be handloaded to offer 200 ft lbs, per shot, adequate peneyration and actual expansion of the jhp in flesh. This is achieved by pulling the 60 gr Silvertip and loading it over enough Allient Bullseye to get it to 1200 fps. Remember that the P32’s locked brreech makes this safe to do. Each casehead must be spun in a drill and the OD reduced by .040″, to avoiid the rimlock missfeeds often cased by that semiprimmed case design. This load makes the litle .32 almost as “effective ‘as .45 ball ammo ever was in a full sized gun. Since the .32 expands and .45 ball does not.since the 32 usea all of its 200 ft lbs and the .45 wasts over 1/3rd of its 330 ft lbs on the fat side of the man, due to overpenetration. The important thing is that the guy wont expect effective armed resistance from a puny femail, but what he’ll get is 5 hot loaded .32s in his chest, in 1/2 second. That’s highly likely to slow him down enough for her to insert one of the other 4 rds into his brain-case.
Karson Branham says
I have a 2 gun solution. Both same chambering, .30 carbine Ruger Blackhawk, and M1 Carbine rifle. Good to 250 yds plus and more powerful than a .357. With added ease of reloading, as well as soft point bullet options they are all I need for WROL or SHTF or whatever. Small package and nice punch. Can carry a lot of ammo for the weight.
Brooks says
I like a nice s/w 7 rd 7 inch 357 and a Winchester lever 357 for the 1st few weeks. In reality, a 12 gauge and a 22 rifle would probably be best, kills animals you can eat. Also, glock 34 and ruger pc9 that shoots glock mags is nice. I 22 rifle is a huge plus if u can carry 3 guns……….. You will need to hunt a lot more then you think if it lasts over a month, a water source is the main key for survival. But some of the metal habitrails to catch animals. Prayer is always our 1st option, guns 2nd :>)
Kevin R says
Update to my June 22, 2017 post. I now have a CZ 75D, a Ruger mark 1 and a SKS. I also have a Ruger 1022, if I should need it. More than enough ammo to feed them. Long lasting food for long term. Spar parts and gun cleaning supplies. Filters for water. I feel I’m good to go or stay.
Jr says
Why no Glock 20sf with conversion barrels for 40sw and 22 lr and 357 sig? 10mm vs Grizzly bears and 40sw for bad guys and 22lr for small game. All in one gun.
Max says
Good article, But have you ever considered the 10mm auto? The only semi automatic pistol round that can be legally used for hunting and can take down a bear. It has about the same power as a .357 magnum but can be used in a semiautomatic pistol with a drum magazine if you so choose. Some 10mm pistols like the Glock 20 and 29 can also fire and cycle .40s&w without any modifications, making for a very versatile weapon in terms of ammo resupply.